13 comments

  • macNchz 48 minutes ago
    This is a really cool implementation—embeddings still often feel like magic to me. That said, this exact use case is sort of also my biggest point of concern with where AI takes us, much more so than most of the common AI risks you hear lots of chatter about. We live in a world absolutely loaded with cameras now but ultimately retain some semblance of semi-anonymity/privacy in public by virtue of the fact that nobody can actually watch or review all of the video from those cameras except when there is a compelling reason to do so, but these technologies are making that a much more realistic proposition.

    The presence of cameras everywhere is considerably more concerning than the status quo, to me at least, when there is an AI watching and indexing every second of every feed—where camera owners or manufacturers or governments could set simple natural language parameters for highly specific people or activities notify about. There are obviously compelling and easy-to-sell cases here that will surely drive adoption as it becomes cost effective: get an alert to crime in progress, get an alert when a neighbor who doesn't clean up after his dog, get an alert when someone has fallen...but the potential implications of living in a panopticon like this if not well regulated are pretty ugly.

    • sohamrj 11 minutes ago
      Totally valid concern. Right now the cost ($2.50/hr) and latency make continuous real-time indexing impractical, but that won't always be the case. This is one of the reasons I'd want to see open-weight local models for this, keeps the indexing on your own hardware with no footage leaving your machine. But you're right that the broader trajectory here is worth thinking carefully about.
  • mdrzn 2 hours ago
    Very interesting (not for a dashcam, but for home monitoring).
  • emsign 1 hour ago
    Where is the Exit to this dystopia?
    • nclin_ 26 minutes ago
      Well, with data analysis powers like this a few treasonous words in front of a flock camera will show you the way.
    • RobotToaster 1 hour ago
      In the matrix the exit was pay phones, which perhaps explains why our overlords are removing them
    • jama211 46 minutes ago
      I don’t think this means we’re in a dystopia
      • zwirbl 17 minutes ago
        You might not have been paying attention
    • draw_down 38 minutes ago
      [dead]
    • BrokenCogs 1 hour ago
      The Matrix style human pods: we live in blissful ignorance in the Matrix, while the LLMs extract more and more compute power from us so some CEO somewhere can claim they have now replaced all humans with machines in their business.
      • throwup238 1 hour ago
        I was thinking more of the season 3 episode of Doctor Who titled Gridlock where everyone lives in flying cars circling a giant expressway underground, while all the upper class people on the surface died years ago from a pandemic.
      • ting0 1 hour ago
        Ever get the feeling that the universe is reading your mind? Maybe there's some truth to that after all.
  • danbrooks 31 minutes ago
    I work in content/video intelligence. Gemini is great for this type of use case out of the box.
  • simonreiff 55 minutes ago
    Very impressive! A webhook could be configured to trigger an alarm if a semantic match to any category of activities is detected, and then you basically have a virtual security guard and private investigator. Well played.
    • sohamrj 7 minutes ago
      Thanks! Yeah that would be pretty cool, but continuous indexing would be pretty expensive now, because the model's in public preview and there are no local alternatives afaik.

      This very well might be a reality in a couple years though!

  • nullbyte 1 hour ago
    What a brilliant idea! is this all done locally? That's incredible.
    • apwheele 1 hour ago
      While the vector store is local, it is sending the data to Gemini's API for embedding. (Which if using a paid API key is probably fine for most use cases, no long term retention/training etc.)
  • kamranjon 1 hour ago
    Does anyone know of an open weights models that can embed video? Would love to experiment locally with this.
    • sohamrj 1 hour ago
      Not aware of any that do native video-to-vector embedding the way Gemini Embedding 2 does. There are CLIP-based models (like VideoCLIP) that embed frames individually, but they don't process temporal video. you'd need to average frame embeddings which loses a lot.

      Would love to see open-weight models with this capability since it would eliminate the API cost and the privacy concern of uploading footage.

  • ygouzerh 2 hours ago
    That's quite interesting, well done! I haven't thought of this use case for embeddings. It open the door to quite many potential applications!
    • stavros 2 hours ago
      Man, the surveillance applications for this are staggering.
  • SpaceManNabs 1 hour ago
    > No transcription, no frame captioning, no intermediate text.

    If there is text on the video (like a caption or wtv), will the embedding capture that? Never thought about this before.

    If the video has audio, does the embedding capture that too?

    • sohamrj 1 hour ago
      Yes to both. The embedding is over raw video frames, so anything visible (text, signs, captions) gets captured in the vector. And Gemini Embedding 2 extracts the audio track and embeds it alongside the visual frames. So a query like 'someone yelling' would theoretically match on audio. My dashcam footage doesn't have audio though, so I haven't tested that side yet.
  • dev_tools_lab 2 hours ago
    Nice use of native video embedding. How do you handle cases where Gemini's response confidence is low? Do you have a fallback or threshold?
    • sohamrj 2 hours ago
      as of now, no threshold but that is planned in the future.

      for example, for now if i search "cybertruck" in my indexed dashcam footage, i don't have any cybertrucks in my footage, so it'll return a clip of the next best match which is a big truck, but not a cybertruck

  • 7777777phil 1 hour ago
    Today I learned that Gemini can now natively embed video..

    Cool Project, thanks for sharing!

  • Aeroi 2 hours ago
    very cool, anybody have apparent use cases for this?
    • sohamrj 1 hour ago
      dashcam and home security footage are the 2 main ones i can think of.

      a bit expensive right now so it's not as practical at scale. but once the embedding model comes out of public preview, and we hopefully get a local equivalent, this will be a lot more practical.

    • giozaarour 1 hour ago
      I think a good use case would be searching for certain products or videos across social media (TikTok and Instagram). especially useful for shopping, maybe
      • vidarh 1 hour ago
        Branding/marketing monitoring companies would be all over this.
    • hebelehubele 1 hour ago
      State surveillance
  • klntsky 2 hours ago
    why not skip the text conversion? is it usable at all?
    • sohamrj 2 hours ago
      gemini embedding 2 converts straight video to vectors. in this case, dashcam clips don't have audio to transcribe and even if they did, it would be useless in the search
      • password4321 1 hour ago
        What are the SoA audio models right now?