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  • rsanek 27 minutes ago
    For those seeking a more level-headed view, the Fed reports on foreign-owned gold monthly. Going back a couple of decades:

      Month       Book value ($M)  Tonnes
      July 2006   8,967            6,606
      July 2011   8,412            6,197
      July 2016   7,883            5,807
      July 2021   7,794            5,742
      July 2026   7,812            5,755
    
    The linked report is talking about a change of 1.5% from the latest-reported total amount in tonnes.
    • csomar 18 minutes ago
      July 2021 7,794 5,742 July 2026 7,812 5,755

      Gold prices have exploded between these two dates. Am I missing something?

      • 638d127673 4 minutes ago
        The table says book value. So might not be the market value of gold.
  • clort 2 hours ago
    Interestingly, 59 tonnes of gold was sold in USA and bought in London. So that means perhaps "Somebody" transferred 59 tonnes of their gold holdings to the USA.. who was that?

    This is similar to what the French did last year.

    The other thing I noticed, is that as the article chose to mention:

    > Gold that is held with the Bank of England must meet modern international trade standards

    with implication being that the gold it previously held in the USA was not meeting those standards, but is that just journalistic fluff? what are those standards? (could be exact weights in g rather than purity?)

    NB the Netherlands still has >200 tonnes of gold held in the USA & Canada.

    • atombender 2 hours ago
      The standards of purity have changed over time, and most of the US gold dates from before the 1930s; and so a lot of US-domiciled gold have different purities that don't follow the current international standard. The purity requirement has been going up over time. A lot of US gold is 90% gold and 10% copper, but gold traded on the international market needs to be at least 99.5% pure. Here [1] is a good breakdown.

      [1] https://www.bficapital.com/blog/what-is-inside-fort-knox

      • bitmasher9 7 minutes ago
        One important detail here.

        When you buy gold, you purchase based on the amount of gold, not the total amount of alloy. This is true in both markets. This difference in standard is practically not a big deal because you very rarely physically move the gold, as moving gold requires a lot of security and is a risk.

    • tristanj 2 hours ago
      You're reading way to much into this.

      Physical gold bars are transferred via plane between London and New York every day. The gold flies in the cargo holds of regularly scheduled commercial passenger flights. The quantity transferred depends on demand, and could be several metric tons daily.

      This is nothing unusual. Dubai is another major gold transfer hub, and it operates via the same mechanism.

      Regarding the article highlighting differing international standards for gold, London uses standard 400-ounce bars, while the US uses 100-ounce or 1kg bars. Often, the bars need to be remelted (elsewhere, typically in Switzerland) before they can be added to the vaults.

      Again, nothing unusual.

      • lxgr 1 minute ago
        Is gold really sufficiently fungible to enable daily bidirectional sizable flows across the Atlantic, but not fungible enough to allow somebody to net these flows out and save at least one way of the airfare?
    • bootsmann 2 hours ago
      Most of this is googleable but there are thousands of traders that make sure the gold price is the same globally so nobody had to “move” their gold in the reverse for this trade to work.

      The difference between London and the US is that the bars are of different size (12.5 vs 1kg).

      • JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago
        > there are thousands of traders that make sure the gold price is the same globally so nobody had to “move” their gold

        Physical versus contract differences are real and require moving the actual gold. What most users do is sell deliverable where they want it out and then buy contracts or deliverable where they want it and then let the market figure out how to move gold around to settle. (It probably won’t involve moving gold from where you had it to where you want it unless you’re in a cohort.)

      • turbonaut 1 hour ago
        The price of gold is not equal globally, there is a ‘loco swap’ price differential, reflecting the price of moving the metal, eg flights, security, tariffs that may be attracted, whether the location can service futures delivery etc
    • throw0101a 54 minutes ago
      > Interestingly, 59 tonnes of gold was sold in USA and bought in London. So that means perhaps "Somebody" transferred 59 tonnes of their gold holdings to the USA.. who was that?

      That 59T could have been someone that decided to starting owning gold for the very first time, so 'net-new' holding rather than a 'transfer'. The 59T could have also been multiple parties and not an individual "somebody": we only know that it was 59T from the sell side (NL).

    • b112 34 minutes ago
      USA & Canada

      I know the above was in the article, but please never mention the US and Canada in the same breath. Please.

      That & symbol just irritates.

      From a Canadian's perspective, it's like mentioning a sophisticated, decent human being, and a slimy smarmy used car salesman, in the same breath.

      Please.

      • hedora 6 minutes ago
        West coast calling:

        What if you annexed us? We have beaches and it’d more than double your economy.

      • Muromec 20 minutes ago
        We all have shitty neighbors, okay
  • thelastgallon 1 hour ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49573455

    Why are European countries moving their gold out of North America?

    • jeroenhd 24 minutes ago
      The Dutch transfer out of Canada is minimal and pretty much a token amount. Most gold has been transfered out of the USA.

      As for why, the American people elected Donald Trump for a second time and the recent trade wars have helped spread the notion that maybe the USA cannot be trusted by its supposed allies as much as it once could be.

  • ivolimmen 3 hours ago
    I am dutch and read the news this week but I found it weird that a part of it went to England. I was expecting a European country.
    • t0mas88 2 hours ago
      Their goal isn't only safe storage, it's also being able to sell when needed.

      You can't quickly trade with the gold that's in their own safe storage facility in Zeist, because you would need to physically transport it. The reserve at the Bank of England is put there because there is a large market for gold trading there. So you can use the gold immediately to influence the markets.

      Putting it in a safe place in another European country wouldn't have added value over storage in Zeist.

    • consp 2 hours ago
      London has an old school gold exchange. Pretty much you can buy and sell by moving a part between vaults (at least that's how I understood it to work in the past). Now I expect it to be just a spreadsheet but who knows.
      • zmgsabst 27 minutes ago
        My understanding is that it’s on shelves in a shared vault and you relabel who owns that shelf/slot/bin.
    • sajithdilshan 3 hours ago
      I’m surprised why they don’t just move it back to their own country and put it in a safe in Netherland.
      • jochem9 2 hours ago
        The biggest chunk is in the Netherlands, but you want your gold also in other countries, so that you can still access is (and don't loose it) in case of an invasion. Hence almost half is in North America, a completely different (and (somewhat) allied) continent.

        It's also easier to sell in certain markets, such as London.

        • clort 2 hours ago
          Not just so that you don't lose it in case of an invasion, but it is proof that you would be willing to help out the host country in the case they were invaded. Also, that you would not invade them.

          In the olden days, the local lords would marry their children together, to create familial groups and ensure that for the forseeable future the local areas would not have a conflict. Modern democracies don't have such valuable family members, we use valuable objects instead.

        • hvb2 2 hours ago
          Just to be a pedant, 18.5 % in the US and same in Canada so 37%.

          I wouldn't call that almost half, it used to be about half before the move (NY at 31.3, 19.7 in Canada).

    • retired 3 hours ago
      England is a country in Europe.
      • onion2k 3 hours ago
        Geographically, yes, but that's not very important.
        • sajithdilshan 2 hours ago
          London is still the financial hub in the Europe
          • hadlock 2 hours ago
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            • sajithdilshan 2 hours ago
              What do you mean for now? There is no other alternative in continental Europe due to language barrier
              • chabska 2 hours ago
                Why would language matter?

                Anyway, Frankfurt is the next biggest financial center after London, and it tend to get the business when a firm wants to move out of London .

                • sajithdilshan 2 hours ago
                  When it comes to being a financial hub English as a global language is paramount in modern world. You wouldn't expect a C-level executive from other side of the world to speak German. Further, if you've ever been in the financial scene in Frankfurt, it's unfortunately predominantly in German because most of the old people working in the institutions can only speak vacation English and they switch to German as soon possible.

                  Also from where did you hear that Frankfurt gets the business that's leaving London? What is your source? That was the hope for the Germans with the Brexit, but it never happened. German laws and bureaucracy is still far too hostile and outdated compared to London.

                  • zhouzhao 1 hour ago
                    >most of the old people working in the institutions

                    A problem that will solve itself within the next few years

                • tchalla 1 hour ago
                  Yes but we Germans are too stuck up with our language barriers.
                  • fakedang 1 hour ago
                    And fax machines. Don't forget the fax machines.
              • owebmaster 2 hours ago
                Why are you excluding Ireland?
                • ben_w 1 hour ago
                  Euronext collectively is big, but Euronext Dublin is about 1/27th the size of LSE by its own market cap.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euronext_Dublin

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Stock_Exchange

                  That said, I'm not entirely clear how the exchange's market cap should or shouldn't be thought of in terms of the total market cap of assets that the exchange lets you trade. Or indeed the float of those assets, which is a concept I've only learned about due to SpaceX's nonsense IPO, so take my thoughts with an appropriate pinch of salt.

                • sajithdilshan 2 hours ago
                  Ireland is a tax-haven, not a financial hub.
            • hvb2 2 hours ago
              London is not a financial center?

              Uh? By what metric?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index

        • ericmay 51 minutes ago
          It was apparently important enough for the OP to try and draw a distinction when none was needed…
    • wazoox 3 hours ago
      England is definitely a European country. I'm tired of people constantly making this political abuse of language of conflating "the EU" with "Europe".

      (And yes, saying "America" for "US of A" annoys me too. First step towards losing an imperialist state of mind is letting people from Canada and Brazil be in America).

      • gizajob 34 minutes ago
        One of the smart moves the EU has performed is to bring all ideas of Europeanness and European identity and Europe as a continent under its exclusive umbrella. Even places like Switzerland are somehow now defined by their exclusion when you couldn’t get a more European country slap bang in the centre of the continent. Britain has always been an outlier due to being an island hanging off the edge, and is now a pariah and traitor state which will also be defined by abandonment and disloyalty to the EU project of total integration.
      • bwanab 21 minutes ago
        Most Americans refer to their country as 'the U.S.'. The people I most hear referring to it as 'America' are Brits.
      • retired 3 hours ago
        In all fairness, I deal with British tourists a lot and they always talk about "going to Europe" when they refer to their summer holiday in Benidorm.
        • tialaramex 49 minutes ago
          But almost invariably in this context they mean "the continent" ie France, Spain, Italy and so on, probably not Scandi and not Ireland. So that's more like how people would say they're going "to the UK" when actually they're travelling to like the Isle of Man or even sometimes Jersey which are not in the UK but like sure, people who speak English live there, if some lunatics attacked them the military forces would work for the UK, and in Man's case it even makes geographical sense (Jersey is basically in France, it isn't French for historical reasons) but these places are not part of the United Kingdom any more than Canada or Australia. Same King, different government.
        • muyuu 1 hour ago
          yea but that's clear from the context

          we use "going to Europe" and "going to the continent" fully aware that the UK is in Europe

        • kzrdude 2 hours ago
          I don't think that's a problem, and it doesn't mean that Britain is not in Europe, IMO. Comes naturally with human perspective. "Where did you go this summer?" A) "I stayed in England"; B) "I travelled around Britain"; C) "I went to Europe". All perfectly understandable, I think..
          • tharkun__ 24 minutes ago
            In a non-pedantic context, yes. Otherwise, no.

                A) "I stayed in England"
            
            And you actually traveled in Scotland and Wales but England was synonymous with UK for you. Technically incorrect of course.

                B) "I travelled around Britain"
            
            And in actuality you only traveled in England.

                C) "I went to Europe"
            
            As an American (yes, a US-ian) and you start in Poland at the Baltic sea and then via some nice Eastern European countries with other attractions like Kroatia, all the way down to Greece. But without further explanation and context most people would've assumed you probably traveled Spain, France, Italy etc.
        • Oarch 3 hours ago
          We are nothing, if not needlessly complex!
        • ButlerianJihad 3 hours ago
          In the San Francisco Bay Area, the locals refer to SF proper as “The City” (not “Frisco”.)

          So, they may live in Cupertino, Palo Alto, or Oakland, but when they say “we’re going to The City for a concert on Saturday!” we can hear them pronounce those capital letters as an unambiguous reference to the one, true City.

          • kzrdude 2 hours ago
            I live in a city (a quite small one) and if I say that I'm going into the city, then it means I leave my neighbourhood (it's in the same city) and I'm going to the city centre.
            • ben_w 1 hour ago
              Same. I'm in Berlin, I may say "I'm going to the city/town/village" for different parts of the city-state.
          • hgoel 59 minutes ago
            Same with NYC, "going to The City" usually just means going to Manhattan.
            • tialaramex 31 minutes ago
              The city of London literally has a city also named London inside it and yeah, "Where are you going?" "The City" means clearly that tiny part. There is another small older city inside London, Westminster, but if you meant Westminster you'd say "Westminster" never "The City" in general.
    • a3qhg 33 minutes ago
      The narrative is that the continent is going to be overrun by Russia (at the rate of mile per year like in Ukraine). So the elites think they need the gold in London to pay for their exile government luxury.
      • bwanab 24 minutes ago
        No, that isn't the narrative.
  • niemandhier 36 minutes ago
    Germany still has about 1200 t in the US. I wonder if they are going to move it too.
  • le-mark 1 hour ago
    They want to see how much of it is gold plated tungsten, good for them!
    • Havoc 4 minutes ago
      That only gets discovered when all of it is pulled

      If there is dodgy stuff happening in the US it makes sense to keep the grift going as long as possible

    • jarrettcoggin 1 hour ago
      Gold-pressed latinum, you say?
      • fhdkweig 1 hour ago
        It was the latinum that was valuable. Gold could be easily replicated, latinum couldn't.
        • kshacker 43 minutes ago
          Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever.

          - Rule of Acquisition 102

  • amelius 59 minutes ago
    Isn't lithium the new gold?
  • ktallett 3 hours ago
    I'm curious the reason why it was ever held in the US and Canada
    • exceptione 2 hours ago
      Besides the reasons listed by the others, this also a matter of relationships as there a deep ties between these nations and the Netherlands. Without the Dutch financing the Americans, America would not have been able to become independent from the English. The Dutch were also the first country on earth to acknowledge America's independence [1][2], costing them a war with the pissed England [3].

      There are a lot of Dutch people living in Canada.[4]

        _____
      1. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_de_Graaff>

      2. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Salute>

      3. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War>

      4. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Canadians>

    • hylaride 1 hour ago
      It's mostly historical and a combination of security from the WW2 and Cold War eras as well as how the gold standard worked before Bretton Woods.

      Most countries held gold reserves as their currencies were backed by it. When money needed to move because of trade, the ratios of currencies backed by gold would shift as money got converted to other currencies. However, constantly moving physical gold back and forth with the ebs and flows of trade was impractical, so ownership of gold in central bank vaults usually just had its legal ownership marked on ledgers. Physical gold moving was more part of reconciliation. This description is an oversimplification as in practice, countries didn't always play by the rules of the gold standard (revaluations, going on and off the standard, etc), but you get the general idea.

      This mostly ended as Bretton woods came into effect and the new system was basing the US dollars on gold, then other countries held direct US dollars and traded that instead. Countries could then convert those US dollars into gold. This ended when Nixon closed the gold window when he refused to raise interest rates as there started to be a run on gold as countries rushed to convert. The backdrop was that high spending on the Vietnam was and new social programs was driving inflation, but Nixon knew that would cause an economic slowdown he wasn't willing to do. Jimmy Carter then took a lot of the political flack for allowing the central bank to raise rates to kill it. This is why central bank independence is so important.

      During times of geopolitical risk, countries would physically move their gold to be held in trust in friendly and/or rule of law countries. The USA was seen as this between ~1914-now.

    • greggsy 3 hours ago
      Makes trade easier than shifting currency. It’s also more stable and liquid if you need to make things happen in an emergency.
    • ulfw 7 minutes ago
      Mate look up New Amsterdam
    • blooalien 3 hours ago
      > I'm curious the reason why it was ever held in the US and Canada

      Random Educated Guess; Probably part of some show of mutual trust to cement a treaty or other agreement, made way back when allied governments could mostly trust one another to hold to such agreements somewhat reliably?

      • ericmay 42 minutes ago
        Eh I don’t think that’s a good guess. More likely is that there are just mechanical reasons to have moved some (they didn’t move all of it by the way) gold to London. Plus it’s not that much money in the grand scheme of things.

        Your implication here is something akin to the Netherlands thinks the US will invade Canada - remember the Dutch moved gold from there too, or that the US will decide to seize the Netherland’s gold (again, not that much money, huge irreparable harm to the US financial system, even Europe hasn’t confiscated Russian assets) but if the US felt compelled to seize Dutch assets what makes you think such a dramatic scenario wouldn’t result in the US compelling the UK to also seize those assets?

        • tialaramex 1 minute ago
          > dramatic scenario wouldn’t result in the US compelling the UK to also seize those assets?

          The US can demand that we seize other people's gold, but if we acceded then it's game over for our financial industry - London is an important financial centre today but if it's actually just New York but on the far side of the Atlantic who cares?

          My guess is that the UK would say "No" and since that's presumably a demand from the Orange Buffoon not somebody sane the next thing would be an order to attack us militarily, which is strikingly dumb in this circumstance. Of course the US can destroy Britain though it might not be as easy in practice as it looks on paper - but the bloodshed would be horrific and all the victims speak English and have Internet access.

          Bombing a girl's school in Iran looks like a PR master stroke by comparison.

    • artisinal 3 hours ago
      Makes it harder to steal.

      Don't forget that the European continent has had wars almost non-stop for centuries. It is a good strategy to place your gold in a location that has not seen much action in the past 250 years.

    • antonymoose 3 hours ago
      I would assume WWII and the Cold War?
      • Eddy_Viscosity2 3 hours ago
        This is the answer, they moved it out during WWII so the nazi's wouldn't steal it. A number of countries did this, including England.
        • ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago
          We brought it over here so that Robert Oppenheimer, Werner von Braun, and Elon Musk could shoot it into space
    • clbrmbr 3 hours ago
      (another guess) to convert to dollars, the gold would need to be delivered to the custody of the US Fed, which is easiest when the bars are physically in the Fed's vault. in a low-trust situation, you have all the gold in your own country, but then its so much leas liquid bc you need to physically deliver it to trading partners, or they must trust your accounting of their share in your vault.
    • sajithdilshan 3 hours ago
      Could be due to the fact that before 1970s the currency was backed by Gold and they had it in US to easily convert it to USD if needed
    • drewstiff 2 hours ago
      It was originally payments owed to Dutch interests in America being converted to gold and stored locally on their behalf, as opposed to having to be transported across the Atlantic back to the Netherlands.

      Then later the Dutch moved a lot more of their gold over there before/during WWII in order to keep it out of reach of the Nazis.

  • retired 3 hours ago
    Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49535526

  • mschuster91 3 hours ago
  • Brendinooo 2 hours ago
    Data from a chart in the article:

      Share of gold before relocation:
    
        New York: 31.33%
        Zeist: 30.83%
        Ottawa: 19.72%
        London: 18.12%
    
      Share of gold after relocation
    
        New York: 18.52%
        Zeist: 30.83%
        Ottawa: 18.52%
        London: 32.13%
    
    In other words, if you read the headline and thought the Netherlands was just pulling gold out of the US and it was pulling ALL of its gold out, you're not seeing the whole story.

    And if you read the whole article, you'll see that all of the anti-Trump framing comes from "experts", not from the actual people moving the gold.

    If you'd like to read the actual statement from the Dutch National Bank, it's here:

    https://www.dnb.nl/en/general-news/press-release-2026/dnb-im...

    • hedora 1 minute ago
      You need to read 2.5 sentences into your link to see that it matches the headline of this thread:

      De Nederlandsche Bank (DNB) has improved the tradability of its gold reserves by transferring part of the gold holdings from New York and Ottawa to London. This ensures that DNB is better prepared for severe crises.

      In view of increasing geopolitical unrest, DNB is strengthening…

    • superb_dev 2 hours ago
      Of course the bank is not going to make a political statement, they have more important business to do. The article makes it pretty clear right at the top that the bank’s statement doesn’t mention Trump:

      > Experts say that rhetoric appears inherently related to the abrasiveness of the Trump administration towards traditional allies.

      Also, the “experts” are just right here. Are you gonna say that Trump hasn’t been throwing our allies under the bus?

      • maratc 1 hour ago
        This move looks like a nothingburger to me but everyone's invited to treat this as a Rorschach test and see whatever they want to see.
      • Brendinooo 2 hours ago
        I mean, if I hear the phrase "geopolitical unrest", I'm far more inclined to think "Iran"/"Russia" than "51st state".

        If the point is to get your gold away from the US and its president, why leave ~19% of if there? Why take gold out of Canada? Why is a two-word phrase inherently related to the abrasiveness of the Trump administration towards traditional allies"?

        And the bank's stated reason is: "Gold that is held with the Bank of England must meet modern international trade standards and is regarded as the world's most easily tradable gold and will therefore be the most readily available for DNB in a crisis situation. The gold reserves held in New York and Ottawa cannot be utilised as quickly and directly in such a situation." Why is that not the more plausible one, and the basis for the headline?

        • detourdog 1 hour ago
          Iran and Russia can both be tied to the leadership of the USA. Iran directly and Russia less directly. There may be trading between the USA and the Netherlands that makes 31% too much gold in USA but at 19% more reasonable. Over the past 4 years the price of gold has more than doubled this would effect the amount of gold needed to perform the same transactions.
          • Brendinooo 1 hour ago
            I mostly agree with this; your comment paints a far more plausible and level-headed picture than the article does.
        • ceejayoz 51 minutes ago
          > I mean, if I hear the phrase "geopolitical unrest", I'm far more inclined to think "Iran"/"Russia" than "51st state".

          Well, they're not putting it there, either.

        • superb_dev 1 hour ago
          First paragraph of their statement I think better summarizes their reasoning:

          > In view of increasing geopolitical unrest, DNB is strengthening its crisis preparedness. Improving the liquidity and tradability of the Dutch gold reserves is part of these preparations. Moreover, a more balanced distribution of these reserves between North America, the United Kingdom and the Netherlands helps to spread risks and will make them more readily available for use in a crisis situation.

          The goal is to make these reserves more liquid in the event of a geopolitical crisis. It’s easy to say that Trump was a factor in this decision given that he has been the cause of one geopolitical crisis after another. That hypothetical crisis doesn’t have to directly involve the Netherlands for this to make sense. For example, the price of oil shot way up because Trump decided to poke Iran and having more liquid reserves could make responding to that easier.

          • Brendinooo 1 hour ago
            > It’s easy to say that Trump was a factor in this decision

            I don't disagree with that. (I mentioned Iran, a crisis that was precipitated by the current administration.)

            I disagree with "Experts say that rhetoric appears inherently related to the abrasiveness of the Trump administration towards traditional allies" and "Having those reserves in the United States is a potential vulnerability...You can absolutely imagine a scenario where, for whatever reason, the Trump administration decides to hold onto them" etc.

        • ben_w 1 hour ago
          In addition to what superb_dev's comment says:

          > If the point is to get your gold away from the US and its president, why leave ~19% of if there?

          Not all of the risk is "the USA may literally steal it", some of the risk is "UK may elect Farage who could be just as bad", and there's a non-zero chance that Trump is kicked out come November.

          With a diversified portfolio, economic planning can be done in terms of probabilities; this is different from e.g. military planning, because the "portfolio" your military defends is "your nation" and this is somewhat more binary in success-vs.-fail.

          > Why take gold out of Canada?

          Because Canada is one of the places Trump is directly threatening.

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  • ArtTimeInvestor 2 hours ago
    How is the situation with Bitcoin?

    Do Europeans have options to hold Bitcoin in ETFs, ETPs etc that are not storing the coins in the USA?

    • avazhi 2 hours ago
      People still buy BTC (let alone central banks)?
      • GreenVulpine 39 minutes ago
        All the time. ETFs are at record inflows.
  • neves 2 hours ago
    When USA stole assets from Cuba and Venezuela, nobody minded. After they stole from Russia, everybody eyes opened.
    • thephyber 1 hour ago
      Straw man fallacy. There are plenty of people who have been very concerned that both of those categories are weakening the foundations of the US-based financial system. It is likely to contribute to the migration away from the US petrodollar and the US dollar as the world reserve currency, thereby weakening all of the benefits we have because so many people use our currency.

      Arguably, though, the US has been "stealing" (in the form of sanctions and frozen assets) from other countries going back more than a few decades, at least as far as Iran in 1979, so your timeline doesn't hold up.

      "Stealing" is wordplay when it comes to Russia because they are at war and the things that are "stolen" are assets being frozen to help pay restitution for the war they started. And Russia would deny the oil stolen from their ships was theirs because the entire point of the "shadow fleet" is to obfuscate ownership, mix and match the fluid products, to create plausible deniability to avoid sanctions.