CCC invites all model citizens to 40C3

(events.ccc.de)

124 points | by antonly 6 hours ago

6 comments

  • pid0x17 35 minutes ago
    If you live in Germany and would like to experience this on a smaller scale THIS WEEKEND, come to the CCC conference in Dresden, called Datenspuren, run by our local CCC Erfa-Kreis C3D2. It takes place from 18.09 - 20.09 in Zentralwerk Dresden.

    It is a beautiful and inclusive environment that highlights not only a lot local hackers, but also a lot of artists.

    I was there last year and it was amazing! I totally recommend it.

    You can find more info about the event and the featured talks and events here:

    https://talks.datenspuren.de/ds26/talk/

    https://datenspuren.de/2026/#start

  • Mashimo 55 minutes ago
    I have been to a couple of CCC events in my late teens'ish. Around 26C3.

    Over all can recommend, at least as a groups. I used it to meet some online friends for the frist time. Wifi / wardriving nerds that I spend a lot of time with online.

    But man, I think I have never been at a place with so many small negative experience with other people. Death by a thousand paper cuts. One older man out of nowhere loudly proclaimed I was Anti-semetic, because I was wearing a Palestinian keffiyeh. When sitting in the cellar in the "hacking area", friends of mine and me where coding on kismet or aircrack-ng, when someone from the neighboring desk asked what we where doing. After I told him he only lifted his nose slightly and with a smug smile said "Oh, that's what you call hacking today?"

    At one camp, where there even was an event on photography, someone I met almost went into a rage every time he saw a camera. Not pointed at him, just someone with a camera. Off he went to tell the camera owner about how it was last camp and his opinion ..

    Everything just minor interaction. But as a whole it's just not people I want to hang around with any more.

    • heipei 45 minutes ago
      That's just Germany for ya. Source: Am German
      • julcol 16 minutes ago
        A shame, as a Spaniard my German boss always said that I was more German than him...never sure as to take it flattering or otherwise.

        Of course he said if I was to be a German I would be from Berlin....apparently those folks can make a public budget work.

        This was around the financial crisis. Not this one upcoming, the last one.

      • CalRobert 25 minutes ago
        Are the Dutch meet-ups better? Wanted to get to why2025 but couldn’t.
      • vrganj 36 minutes ago
        As an Austrian, I agree with this German :-)
    • derrida 21 minutes ago
      > someone I met almost went into a rage every time he saw a camera.

      The rage may be too much but the taboo on taking photo that is real and cultural normal that will be enforced or made to feel embarrassed for doing (i.e. 'lets not be the stasi'). That's the cultural norm of there and that scene. You visited from the states, correct? Bay area but the guess "small negative experience" - the idea of we are going around experiencing things and our life is a product of these experiences we consume and interpersonal politics - that's very california "the personal is the political" or that it's some how a consumption experience we "have" and who we "are" is coloured by these "experiences" etc (a fish in the water "what is water?")

      One thing in German culture I very appreciate (as australian) is the "polite complaining" as in - you know a German cares if they will share with you what is wrong (and then they will have solution) as Australian we just complain about the big things (but never on your mates or people on your level) hehe "the government" etc - German - politely complain (and here's the patch) etc hehe In both cases it's a sort of affection or closeness if they tell you what they really think

      it's not seen negative it's seen like 'of course we have feelings good and bad' etc

      All generalising of course.

      This could I see easily clash with american culture where often it's positivity all the time and it's seen taboo to say something bad - as if it's letting down the 'team' or it must be personal again 'you' or something - where as kinda truthfulness and integrity seen as the thing there - say as it is or as feel etc

      Also another thing you might notice (probably less in Hamburg but in Berlin or something) in winter you want to go for a swim - that's the spa. Everyone is naked. This can come a shock to, say, a culture like the US that had the puritans - that people being naked is not sexualised any way. Actually the US because the norm is "naked" = "naked fun" that can lead to perhaps the most confusing cultural mishap. This might be related to photos also. For instance - in Australia it's increasingly less common people sunbath naked. In east europe and nordics - being naked in spa is just common.

      Also: new years eve - they try to blow up everything. In a civilised city it blew my mind to see folks firing guns in the air.

      Yes! There's some differences.

      Saying that: there's assholes everywhere and don't let the 5-20% allocation of asshole influence your opinion of the 80% of the cool calm quiet

      Hmmm... this comment is long... I may be the asshole. Ok,

      Ciao

      • ulnarkressty 1 minute ago
        > taboo on taking photo

        Do Germans complain/rage every time they see a security camera?

  • throwa356262 1 hour ago

        "27 to 30 December 2026"
    
    
    I have always wanted to attend CCC in person, but these dates for the main conference only work if you are 20 and single...
    • AIiscoming 1 hour ago
      21th/24th -> celebrating with family the winter solstice 25th -> visiting the extended family 26th -> visiting friends

      27-30th -> congress \o/

      31th -> celebrating a new year either close to the congress or with family again

      Works very well for very long time. Plenty of families with kids on the congress too and you always have holidays at that time.

      Im not single and i'm not 20...

      • ranger_danger 1 hour ago
        A lot of people spend more than 1 or 2 days visiting family during Christmas time, and travel long distances to do so.
        • AIiscoming 1 hour ago
          Perhaps and thats wonderful for these people but stating that only 20 and single can go to the congress is as generic as my response.

          The congress was always booked out, its not that the congress has any attendance issues and its not that OP never had the chance to visit and never will have the chance to visit when his/her kids get older.

          Btw. i travel too to my family

      • raverbashing 54 minutes ago
        Yeah, works if you're 2h away from the venue.
        • AIiscoming 41 minutes ago
          Im away 6h from the venue and 3h from my family.

          Come on...

    • vlowrian 28 minutes ago
      I actually know several people who regularly visit the 3C with their families and children. There are a lot of cool activities for kids from a certain age (10-ish). Even without all the social programm, there are plenty of talks which are interesting to non-IT people.
    • pid0x17 1 hour ago
      Marry a hacker, and have hacker kids, problem solved :3
    • Mashimo 1 hour ago
      Go to the camp, that's in the summer time every .. 4? years.
    • Sweepi 1 hour ago
      Its the perfect date for people who see all of their "real" family once per year, at CCC. Lots of couples attending obv.
      • flawn 30 minutes ago
        Yeah, would be feasible if tickets wouldn't be so hard to get for externals. Ain't no way my partner would hang out for a year every week with me in a hackerspace
    • badatnames 16 minutes ago
      ...or 40 and divorced
  • lolc 1 hour ago
    In the past it was "The Usual Suspects", now it is "Model Citizens". Back then smoking indoors at conferences was a topic hackers would discuss. Now I'm sure it will be a very serious conference full of grown-ups.

    Will not be able to attend this year :'-) Have to ask friends to get me a "Model Citizen" shirt!

  • 749952599760806 43 minutes ago
    Hacker conference: against authoritarian government, with talk about security, privacy, opsec etc.

    Also: can only buy ticket online with credit card and real name, no onsite sell available, your name is probably give to conference administrator for checking ticket, he will probably give it to third parties or keep it for "good reasons", etc.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the talks, they are very good. It is just a bit funny for me. They can't try harder to be hackers? Or is it like this in germany always?

    • pid0x17 30 minutes ago
      Go to the local smaller CCC conferences, where you can pay with things like GNU Taler or cryptocurrency, and the entry is often free anyway, with a donation being appreciated or buying event merch being a nice alternative to simply donating.

      I think the hacker spirit is definitely alive & kicking in those smaller CCC events.

    • drbscl 33 minutes ago
      The organisation has to still pay their suppliers, and have to comply with anti money laundering laws
  • Schlagbohrer 1 hour ago
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    • pid0x17 1 hour ago
      If you live in Germany and would like to experience this on a smaller scale THIS WEEKEND, come to the CCC conference in Dresden, called Datenspuren, run by our local CCC Erfa-Kreis C3D2. It takes place from 18.09 - 20.09 in Zentralwerk Dresden. Entry is completely free of charge, with a donation being appreciated.

      It is a beautiful and inclusive environment that highlights not only a lot local hackers, but also a lot of artists.

      I was there last year and it was amazing! I totally recommend it.

      You can find more info about the event and the featured talks and events here:

      https://talks.datenspuren.de/ds26/talk/

      https://datenspuren.de/2026/#start

      • pantalaimon 52 minutes ago
        And thee weeks later there is Interfug in Chemnitz. Even smaller, but the intimate atmosphere can be quite cozy.

        https://interfug.de/

        • pid0x17 38 minutes ago
          This year will be the first time I go to Interfug. I found it while browsing the CCC event calendar 2 weeks ago. I have no idea what to expect, especially because the program preview currently up only lists a few talks (but it clearly says it is still not the full program).

          Still, even if there aren't many talks, I like the spirit of these conferences and very interesting conversations you get to have with very interesting people who go there.

          Plus, it's only a 90 min train ride away from Dresden, so if I don't like it, I will just go home.

    • drbscl 48 minutes ago
      > extremely right wing misogynism of DefCon.

      Can you elaborate? I thought a lot of LGBT people attend regularly?

      • pid0x17 35 minutes ago
        I was also wondering what they meant, tbh, but I have never been to DefCon, so I don't know.

        One ex-colleague from my previous employer was there, though, and he absolutely loved it.

    • FL410 52 minutes ago
      Having been to defcon a number of times, I truly have no idea what you're talking about.