Science Is Open Software

(jepedersen.dk)

27 points | by jegp 1 hour ago

4 comments

  • samayashar 5 minutes ago
    Nice read. I believe that traditional software is a great way to showcase the proofs when it comes to physics and mathematics. You can easily code up a theorem in a language of your choice and justify that 'Okay, the output matches the expected value'.

    I am particularly fascinated by labs like DeepMind [https://deepmind.google/science/]. The recent advances in their frontier models that are able to predict diseases before they're diagnosed is incredible. This is what AI should be built for and actually do!

  • willtemperley 24 minutes ago
    > modern science is synonymous with open source software.

    Another problem with reproducibility is the openness of the underlying data. Many academics are terrified of giving away the golden goose and the software is often useless without the data.

    However many scientists do work openly, e.g. The Journal of Open Source Software:

    https://joss.theoj.org/

  • random3 1 hour ago
    Science is open, but science is not software and software definitely not science.
  • jegp 1 hour ago
    TL;DR I claim that modern science is synonymous with open source software. This post explains why, why it matters, and what you can (and should) do next.
    • jibal 24 minutes ago
      You argue that open software is science, which is not at all the same as claiming that science is software. ("is" in this context is not equivalence -- "a poodle is a dog" != "a dog is a poodle".)
      • jegp 14 minutes ago
        I agree the post is muddy about whether the relationship is bijective (equivalent, poodle=dog) or injective (onto, poodle is a dog). I make it slightly more precise in the statement "I posit that open source software is a necessary condition if we are to science in a computerized world". That's where the "is" comes from in the title. Throughout history, this definitely has not been the case. I'm arguing that's changing.
        • jibal 2 minutes ago
          It's not just "muddy", it's thoroughly inconsistent and impenetrable (which probably has a lot to do with why there is so little engagement here). You say "TL;DR I claim that modern science is synonymous with open source software" which is radically different from your "slightly more precise" statement.

          I won't put any more time into this ... good luck in figuring out what it is you really want to claim and presenting a coherent and cogent argument for it.

    • gradus_ad 1 hour ago
      What's the equivalent of closed source?
      • random3 1 hour ago
        It’s research happening privately without publishing, usually going into products
      • jegp 1 hour ago
        Equivalent? In the analogy of the math or physics results it would be a mental model in someone's brain that you can't access or verify. You just hope it's true