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  • schiffern 47 minutes ago
    The corresponding concept in gears is to avoid meshing two gears unless the number of teeth are co-prime, because this will cause uneven wear patterns. If the tooth counts are coprime, then each tooth will contact every tooth on the other gear the same number of times, effectively "wear leveling" the teeth.

    In this instance, one fix is to fire the timer every 59 seconds, so it will naturally drift out of phase with the minute hand of the clock. Or, if work needs to be done exactly every 60 seconds, then WAIT(RAND(60)) seconds for the timer initialization, so if 10,000 units start simultaneously they don't try all at once.

    This is why many systems will do automated updates every 17 hours: 17 is coprime with 24.

    Classic "thundering herd" mitigation tactics.

    Edit: Tempting to blame IoT, but (since this is news) I don't think anyone knew there was something to fix here. We have the tools however.

    • HPsquared 0 minutes ago
      Coprime meaning "no common factors". So you get no "harmonics" happening.
  • bob1029 27 minutes ago
    I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion that this is merely caused by UPS system control logic. That is an extreme amount of coordination across a lot of makes, models and configurations.

    The FFT indicates this is a periodic signal, not a once a day or week thing. It's happening continuously all day every day. I don't know of any UPS systems that perform tests with this kind of regularity.

    In any case, I refuse to believe an external sync signal is causing this. The more likely explanation is that the active elements are pulling each other to a common mode due to being physically coupled on the same grid. This is like how clocks on the same beam will synchronize.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injection_locking

    • the8472 16 minutes ago
      The external sync here is NTP. Synchronized clocks + timer-scheduled actions → globally synchronized behavior

      From the article:

      > The origin of these current peaks was independently confirmed by the manufacturer to be periodic self-tests executed by the battery EMS, confirming our interpretation. Similar minute-scale diagnostic routines are also documented for other commercial UPS systems (cf. Supplementary Note 8).

      https://www.snaptec.com.au/akkutec-4801-din-user-manual.pdf

      > battery circuit testing 1 x per minute for 1 sec

      https://adelsystem.com/hubfs/PDF%20DC-UPS/Instruction%20Manu...

      > The battery testing is carried out automatically every 60 sec.

  • geerlingguy 50 minutes ago
    I know my older APC UPSes do weekly self tests, but I guess newer equipment does more frequent self testing? And of course they're all internet-connected meaning clocks are within a few hundred ms of each other.

    It also made me think about how many GitHub Actions I have that kick off on Sunday morning at a specific time. I try to vary the time/day for those jobs but I'm guessing there are enough things that kick off at specific time intervals to make an impact at the top of an hour, or at :15, :30, :45...

    • rmunn 44 minutes ago
      This is why systemd gives you the RandomizedDelaySec option. (Other cron-like facilities may have similar features, I'm not discussing them here). Set that to N and each time the timer reaches its trigger (say, once per day), its actual start will be up to N seconds after the trigger. E.g. if a once-per-day trigger is at midnight but you have RandomizedDelaySec=300 set, then it will run sometime between 0:00:00 and 0:05:00, with a different actual start time each day.

      If enough people used that, with a high enough value of N (say 1800 for jobs that really don't have to start at any particular time), it would greatly spread out the spikes in accidentally-coordinated usage.